Shaikh Ali al-Halabi on Shaikhs Muhammad Hassan & Abi Ishaq al-Huwaini

I know it’s been a while since my last post … . My sincerest apologies to those who’ve been asking and urging me to get my attention back to posting. I’ve been intending to get started on some things again, but haven’t been able to find the time yet. Things have been kind of hectic here at home with Allah testing us with bedbugs, among other things. The praise is Allah’s I think we’ve won our battle with the little critters, but we’re still trying to get our things back in order since we first found out about our tiny uninvited “guests”.

Anyhow, on to the topic of this post. Much thanks to Amr Abualrub for sending me this link; may Allah reward and bless him. Video (and update) after the break …

Translation to follow, Allah willing.

[Update Feb. 13, 2010] Sorry it took so long, but I’ve been kind of lazy with it, working on it on and off for the past week or so. Here’s a transcription of the reply from Shaikh Alî Hasan (sorry if there’s any mistakes, my Arabic listening skills aren’t too great, neither is my spelling) along with the translation:

الشيخ على حسن الحلبي: يقول: ما رأيك في الشيخ محمّد حسّان وهل الحويني عالم الحديث؟ جزاك الله خيرًا.

نقول: نعم. أما الشيخ محمّد حسّان، فهم من أفاضل الدعاة السلفيين في هذا العصر، وقد نفع الله به نفعًا عظيمًا، وكذلك الشيخ أبو أسحاق الحويني، وهو أيضًا من أهل الحديث المشهورين في هذا الزمان، وقد شهد له شيخنا الشيخ الألباني في السلسلة – في سلسلة الأحاديث الصحيحة – مع ذكره إثنين آخرين بأنهم من أقوياء في هذا العلم، فإذا شهد للشيخ أبي أسحاق شيخ الأمة وشيخ أهل الحديث في هذا الزمن فما عسى مثلي أن يقول؟!

أما ما قد ينتقد البعض عليهما من بعض المواقف، فنقول من عمل لا بدّ أن يُخطِئ، فهم مكثرون – نسأل الله أن يوافقهم وأن يبارك فيهم وأن يشفيهم وأن يعافيهم وأن يحفظهم وأن يكلأهم – هم يعملون كثيرًا ويدرّسون كثيرًا ويخطبون كثيرًا، وقد نقول ويألّفون كثيرًا، من أخطأ لا بدّ أن يقع! لكن ينظر هل هذا الذي يقع منه أخطاء أصلية وأصولية تهدد منهجهم وتفسد عقيدتهم أم أنّ ذلك مما قد يقع فيه أي واحد من أهل السنّة من علماءها أو طلبة علمها أو حتى عامتها؟ لذلك أرى أن التواصل معهم والتناصح وإياهم أولى من كبتهم وأولى من قطعهم وأولى من مقاطعتهم فضلا عن تبديعهم وهجرهم، كما يفعل بعض من غلا من إخواننا – غفر الله تعالى لهم – ولقد جرّبنا مناصحتهم في بعض الأمر فكانوا متجاوبين جدًا، وهذا ما نحبّه لهم، كما ذكرنا حديث البي صلى الله عليه وسلم «والذي نفسي بيده، لا يؤمن أحدكم حتى يحب لأخيه ما يحب لنفسه».

أسأل الله العظيم رب العرش العظيم لنا ولكم التوفيق والسداد والهدى والرشاد، إنّه سبحانه ولي ذلك وقادر عليه، وصلى الله وسلم وبارك على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين، وآخر دعوانا أن الحمد لله رب العالمين.

Shaikh Alî al-Halabi said,

[The questioner asks], “What is your view regarding Shaikh Muhammad Hassân and is al-Huwainî a hadîth scholar? May Allah reward you with good.” We say yes. As for Shaikh Muhammad Hassân, then he is from the virtuous Salafî propagators of this era and Allah has caused tremendous benefit through him. Likewise, Abū Is·hâq al-Huwainî, and he is also from the renowned people of Hadîth from this time. In Silsilah al-Ahadîth asSahîhah, our shaikh, Shaikh al-Albânî, testified that he, along with his mention of two others, that they were from those strong in this [field of] knowledge. So since the the Shaikh of the [Muslim] nation and the Shaikh of the People of Hadîth of this time testified for Shaikh Abî Is·hâq, then what could the likes of me possibily say?!

As for what some people have criticized the two of them for from some of the positions, then we say, whoever acted, there is no escaping that he errs. They are rich–we ask Allah to grant them success, to bless them, to heal and cure them, and to preserve and protect them–they do a lot of work, they teach a lot, they preach a lot, and we can say that they write a lot … whoever erred, there is no escaping that it happens. It is investigated, however: is these foundational mistakes that occurred from them, which undermine their methodology and corrupt their creed or is that from that which anyone from the People of the Sunnah, its scholars, its students of knowledge, or even its general folk can fall into?

Due to that, I view that continued [contact] with them and advising them is more deserved than suppressing them, more deserved than cutting them off, more deserved than separating from them, let alone hereticating them and boycotting them, just as those from our brothers that exaggerate do–may Allah, exalted is He, forgive them. We have certainly tried advising them in some of the matter, and they were very responsive. This is what we want for them, just as we mentioned the hadith of the Prophet, may Allah send salutations and peace upon him, «By the One in whose hand is my soul, none of you believe until he wants for his brother what he wants for himself.»

I ask Allah, the Tremendous, Lord of the tremendous throne, for the success and the correctness, the guidance and the good sense, for us and for you. Surely He, glorified is He, is the bestower of that and capable of it. May Allah send salutations, peace, and blessings upon our Prophet, Muhammad, and upon his family, and his companions, collectively. And the last of our claim is that the praise is Allah’s, Lord of the worlds.

About Rasheed Gonzales
My name is Rasheed Gonzales. I’m a Muslim convert of Filipino descent. Born and raised in Toronto, Canada, I was guided to Islam through one of my younger brothers and a couple of friends, all of whom had converted to Islam sometime before me (may Allah reward them greatly). I am married with four children (and the praise is Allah’s) and also a volunteer for the Qur'an & Sunnah Society of Canada, based in Toronto.

68 Responses to Shaikh Ali al-Halabi on Shaikhs Muhammad Hassan & Abi Ishaq al-Huwaini

  1. Transcription and translation have been added to the post. My apologies for taking so long.

  2. Ibn_Ahmed says:

    Assalamu alaykum, JazakumAllahukhair for the Video.

    “In Silsilah al-Ahadîth as-Sahîhah, our shaikh, Shaikh al-Albânî, testified that he, along with his mention of two others, that they were from those strong in this [field of] knowledge”.

    If you could let us know who the other two individuals that Shaikh Al-Albani mentioned were from the strongest in Hadith.

  3. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, brother.

    Wa iyyak. Shaikh Ali Hasan didn’t mention a reference to as-Silsilah and I personally haven’t seen the shaikh’s praise of Shaikh Abi Ishaq in it, so I’d have to do a bit of searching to find it. I’ll try searching for it later when I get home from work, Allah willing … (or if Yusuf knows or can find it–since he’s good with finding things on the net (masha’allah), maybe he can mention it sooner).

  4. Ok, I used to electronic version of Silsilah al-Ahadith as-Sahihah that you can download from alalbany.com and I’ve only found one reference to Shaikh Abi Ishaq al-Huwaini. It’s found in vol. 5, pg. 585, under hadith no. 2457 where Shaikh al-Albani calls him, “our noble friend, Abu Ishaq al-Huwaini … .”

    I should mention, however, that both my personal copy and alalbany.com’s copy of as-Silsilah as-Sahihah are incomplete. I’m missing the seventh volume (which consists of three books, if I’m not mistaken), whereas alalbany.com’s has an incomplete copy of volume seven, from the looks of it.

    I was able to find this, though. It mentions two other references that Shaikh al-Albani made about Shaikh Abi Ishaq, both found in the third book of volume 3 and both mention Shaikh Abu Ishaq’s virtue in the field of hadith and his nobility, but none of these references make mention of other scholars.

    The only reference I can think of where Shaikh al-Albani mentioned another scholar while praising Shaikh Abu Ishaq was the quote from al-Albani’s grandson that I translated in the brief mention of Shaikh Ali Hasan al-Halabi found here; of course, the other scholar mentioned along side Shaikh Abi Ishaq is Ali Hasan.

  5. Abu Shu'aib says:

    as-salamu ‘alaykum,

    It’s ‘Ali Hasan & ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Arna’ut from what I remember.

  6. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, Abu Shu’aib.

    May Allah reward and bless you for the mention. Do you remember, even if vaguely, where you read it?

  7. Yusuf says:

    As far as Shaykh al-Albaani and Shaykh ‘Abdul-Qaadir al-Arnaa’oot.. they were friends and peers who loved and respected one another. I don’t have the reference for al-Albaani saying to refer to his gradings after him, but it is mentioned in the biography of al-Arnaa’oot – http://saaid.net/Warathah/1/alarnaut.htm.

    As far as Shaykh Abu Ishaaq al-Huwayni, Shaykh Mashoor bin Hassan Aal Salmaan has mentioned that he never saw Shaykh al-Albaani more joyous than when Shaykh Abu Ishaaq was visiting – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVJ30HVphyc

    Other senior scholars have praised al-Huwayni in a similar manner, such as Shaykh Muhammad Bou Khobza of Morocco. In summary, He mentioned in Saheefah as-Sawaabiq wa Jareedah al-Bawaa’iq regarding Shaykh Abu Ishaaq that:

    – He is the Imaam of Muhadditheen of Egypt.
    – He is a reviver of the science of hadeeth and isnaad.
    – No one succeeded Shaykh Ahmad Shaakir until al-Huwayni.

    Regardless, even without mentioning the praise of these scholars, his actions speak for themselves. The same goes for Shaykh Muhammad Hassan and his efforts in da’wah.

    Those who speak against these two scholars are mostly clueless. They have no idea the enormous effort these scholars have made specifically in Egypt in spreading the Sunnah. These scholars and du’aat used to travel day and night all over the country village to village and town to town before the Internet and satellite channels, teaching the people and spreading goodness before most of those who attack them and slander them were either born or following Islam.

    The same can be said for other scholars and du’aat throughout the world. People come on the scene claiming that their concern is ‘ilm al-hadeeth, attacking its imaams in our times – waAllahul-musta’aan. Mention to them the names of the scholars of hadeeth in our times, and they’ve never heard of them since it wasn’t mentioned in any of their English forums or PDF propaganda files. Ask them who Shaykh Muhammad ‘Amr ‘Abdul-Lateef of Egypt was, who passed away a few years ago and they’re clueless, even though Shaykh Muqbil whom they claim to follow said he was the most knowledgeable of hadeeth in Egypt and he sat with him when he briefly visited Egypt.

    The whole situation has become an absolute joke and near mockery of the religion itself, and to Allah is our complaint.

  8. abu faatimah says:

    As salamu alikum

    I agree brother yusuf 100%.

    what even supprises me is that they are the bonifide daiee and the point of reference.

    Also what makes me think about THESE MUQALIDS is that they ONLY refer to Shaikh so and so……

    Thats why the slaf use to say” You will not know the mistake of your shaikh until you sis with another shaikh”

    Which shaikhs have they gone to other than?????????

    Shaikh rabee……….. not in the picture anymore, but we still pump him up….

    Shaikh Ubayd al jabiree…….. when did he become the safeenah for success?

    To me if you say anything good or bad against the above shaikh and it does not agree with their taste, then you are despised?

    What happened to the Shaikh Haajoori?…… the successor to shaikh muqbil? now keeping quite about him…..

    make me think PERSONALITY FOLLOWERS.

  9. al-Falastini says:

    As-Salamu Alaikum

    Actually that third person is someone by the name of Samir az-Zuhairi, so that makes him, Sh Abu Is-haq, and Sh Ali.

    # وقال (الصحيحة ج5 ح2457) مختصا المشتغلين الأقوياء في علم الحديث: فعسى أن يقوم بذلك بعض إخواننا الأقوياء في هذا العلم كالأخّ عليّ الحلبيّ، وسمير الزهيريّ، وأبي إسحاق الحوينيّ، ونحوهم جزاهم الله خيرا. اهـ.

  10. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

    May Allah reward and bless you, al-Falastini.

    For those unfamiliar with the name, Shaikh Samir az-Zuhairi’s a student of Shaikh al-Albani’s. He’s got a nice verification of Bulugh al-Maram that I’ve seen. He’s also got a biography of Shaikh al-Albani titled, Muhaddith al-‘Asr Muhammad Nasir ad-Din al-Albani, which is one of the works relied upon for Darussalam’s biography of the shaikh. One of his small essays has also been translated into English under the title, The Ruling on Looking at the One Proposed To For Marriage.

  11. Abu Shu'aib says:

    jazak-Allah khayr br. al-Falastini, I stand corrected.

  12. Ibn_Ahmed says:

    Assalamu alaykum,

    How would you brothers reply to the ones who say that Shaikhs Alee Hasan, Aboo Ishaaq & others have changed since the time of Imam Al-Albani which renders these praises void?

    Hopefully Br. Yusuf & Rasheed could answer this. JazakumAllahukhair.

  13. Yusuf says:

    Wa ‘Alaykum as-Salaam,

    How have they changed? Where is the evidence?

    What has occurred with respect to al-Halabi, for example, after the passing of Shaykh al-Albaani? Perhaps one could mention the accusations of irjaa’, but how would this affect his hadeeth gradings? Likewise with al-Huwayni one could mention the accusations of making takfeer for major sins, but again how would this affect his hadeeth gradings? This is keeping in mind that with respect to both these are accusations that are contested by both and not accepted as they are stated.

    The larger question is: is one’s knowledge of hadeeth measured by another person’s praise, or is it measured by the accuracy found within the works they contribute?

    Similar is the case with many others, such as al-Ma’ribi. It’s stated that he changed after Shaykh Muqbil passed away, but where is the proof for such a claim? And if he did change, does it necessarily damage his knowledge of ‘uloom al-hadeeth for which Shaykh Muqbil praised him?

    And there are many other examples that can be given.

    Basically if one is resorting to this type of argument as a main proof against someone then it is a clear indication that their position is weak.

    Our objective as Muslims should be to follow the truth wherever we find it, whether it is with a person of knowledge that has been praised or even if it is with one that has been criticized.

    The irony is that most who make these claims that so-and-so has changed since the time of such-and-such scholar, they are in fact often the ones who have changed and adopted stances and positions never before seen or heard about in the past.

    This whole methodology leads to nothing but destruction, and mostly from within. Just look at the most recent mess with Hishaam al-‘Aarif. Usaamah al-‘Utaybi warned against al-‘Aarif a few days ago (here) after he finally decided to challenge Shaykh Rabee’ and his praised of Shakyh Sa’ad al-Husayyin. In his warning al-‘Utaybi mentions that when al-‘Aarif performed ‘Umrah in 1419H, he used to attend al-‘Utaybi’s classes and benefit from them. At that time al-‘Utaybi himself was around his mid-20s and a fresh graduate from the Islamic University of Madeenah. He states that al-‘Aarif at that time – only roughly 12 years ago – wasn’t even proficient at reciting the Qur’an and barely memorized anything from it. He says that he was weak in every branch of knowledge and rather only knew accounting. He then goes on to mention other things about al-‘Aarif, such as him encouraging the youth to cooperate with the Israeli intelligence.

    This is the same al-‘Aarif that visited the West and we were told was an ‘aalim rabbaani who gives the khutbah at Masjid al-Aqsa. The same whom it was said that he is “‘aarif (knowledgeable) of the Salafi manhaj.”

    Now he’s said several major erroneous statements such as accusing scholars like Shaykh Muhammad bin Ibraaheem, Shaykh ‘Abdur-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abdullah bin Humayyid, Shaykh Ibn Jibreen, and Shaykh al-Ghudayaan as being from the Khawaarij, as well as other random bizarre things such as that there are takfeeris in the Saudi govt and that you can’t pray behind Ahl al-Bid’ah. He said this for some time, yet there was no warning. Recently he said Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan and Shaykh Rabee’ are government scholars and he is targeting Shaykh Rabee’ head-on with his recent writings (here) because of his praise for people whom he believes are Qutubis and Ikhwaanis (here we go again). So we have, for example:

    – الميزان العادل لما أدخله ربيع المدخلي على الحق من الباطل
    – إن كنتم أهلاً للتحدي، فها أنا ذا أمامكم أحارب الفساد
    – منهج اللملمة والتجميع عند من زكّاه المدخلي ربيع
    – اصبر! أنت في زمان يعلو التّحوت الوعول
    – سعد الحُصين في الميزان

    .. and many other fancy-titled writings. Now once Shaykh Rabee’ was attacked, we finally saw some sort of warning.

    But look at how absurd the situation is for those in the West who exhaust themselves on SalafiTalk asking about al-Huwayni, Muhammad Hassan, even ‘Amr Khaled.. yet when one of the very own individuals that they promoted (al-‘Aarif) and so their followers are attached to, we don’t hear a peep when he falls into misguidance. I’m not saying issue a chain email warning against him, but wouldn’t a brief notice regarding him be appropriate considering that people think he’s basically the Imaam of al-Quds?

    In any case, it seems I have drifted off a bit… but I hope it brings some benefit. I don’t mention any of this to cause confusion or fitnah, but just to illustrate how this methodology continues to wreck and ruin nearly everything in sight no matter it appears.

  14. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

    Similar to what Yusuf said in his reply, I’d ask what their evidence was that shows these shaikhs have changed since the death of their teacher.

    I’ve been reading Shaikh Ali Hasan’s books and listening to his lectures pretty much since I first learned about Salafism, which was very soon after I converted (which, by the way, happens to be the year Shaikh al-Albani died); this is both his works and talks translated into English as well as his works and talks in their original Arabic (I started learning how to read Arabic a month or two after I converted and I actually started learning how to understand it a year or so later). In this time, which spans just over 10 years now, I’ve noticed no change in Shaikh Ali Hasan’s beliefs or methodology. So if there has been some sort of change, I’d really like it pointed out to me.

    I’d also ask them to explain to me how it’s possible for not only one, but practically all of Shaikh al-Albani’s closest students (old and recent) to have changed; a good number of them are still companions, maintain good relations, or speak highly of each other, despite some criticisms that might exist that they’ve made against each other, e.g., those involved with the al-Albani Centre in Jordan.

    Unless they can answer these questions, because really, it’s upon them to prove that they’ve changed, I’d easily dismiss their claims and tell them they’re foolish for believing such allegations without any concrete examples.

  15. Aboo Yoosuf says:

    Apparently, salafitalk.net has taken off the biography of Sh Hishaam, as their much-hyped thread entitled “Short Biography of Shaykh Hishaam al-Aarif hafidhahullah” is now disfunctional. Obviously, the quotes from him in refuting “Alee al-Halabi al-Miskeen” are still there. I’d assume the tones of the members in that forum who urged Salafees to benefit from him have also changed.

    I pray Allaah keeps the laymen Muslims away from such destructive methodologies where a Shaykh is pumped and then dropped the next season, all in the banner of “al-jarh wat-ta’deel” and making jihaad against ahlul bid’ah.

  16. Ibn_Ahmed says:

    Assalamu’alaykum, BarakAllahufeekum.

    Where are Shaikh Al-Albani’s other students located at the moment? Such as Shaikh’s Eid Al-Abbasi? Ibrahim Shaqrah? Alee Khashshaan? Hamedee Abdul-Majeed (Is he’s still alive?)and what are their views on these ongoing issues? Are they still in contact with Shaikh’s Alee, Mash-hoor, Musa and the others who set up Markaz Imam Al-Albani?

    JazakumAllahukhair.

  17. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, Ibn_Ahmed.

    Wa fikum barak Allah.

    According to this short biography of Shaikh al-Albani I have written by Abu Usamah Atiyah bin Sidqi Ali Salim, which was published in 2001, he mentions the following (in the section about al-Albani’s students):

    – Shaikh Hamdi Abdul-Majid is alive and living in Iraq,
    – Shaikh Ali Hamad Khashshan is alive and working in Qatar,
    – Shaikh Abu Malik Muhammad Ibrahim Shaqrah is alive and living in Amman, Jordan. He’s the khatib of Masjid Salah ad-Din al-Ayyubi.
    – Shaikh Muhammad Id Abbasi is alive and living in Riyad.

    As for whether or not the shaikhs involved with the al-Albani Centre have contact with these shaikhs in particular, I don’t know. Nor do I know about any views they have regarding the various controversies. I know there was a beef between Shaikh Abu Malik and the others from several years ago revolving around the accusations of irja’ against Shaikh al-Albani, but I don’t know if their differences have been resolved since all that stuff started.

  18. islam4me says:

    As-salaamu alaykum… Great to see your post akhee Rasheed.

  19. al-Falastini says:

    As-Salamu Alaikum…

    Brother Rasheed, do you know of any books written by Sh Ali Khashshan? What about by Shaykh al-Albani’s son in law?

  20. Abul Qayyim Faheem ibn Talut says:

    As salaamu alaikum,

    So what is this news on sahab.net about Shaykh Ubayd saying that Shaykh al Halabi wasn’t a student of Shaykh al Albaani?

  21. al-Falastini says:

    Brother, although I do think this whole Fitnah is a waste of time, I do have a point to make about that crazy statement.

    With all due respect to Shaykh Ubaid, he just is saying what everyone says when they disagree with Sh Ali, “He is not a student of al-Albani.”

    Regardless of how false that statement is, and that Imam al-Albani referred to Sh Ali as, “My student” in a couple of places, so what if he isn’t?

    Does it really matter that someone studies under another scholar? Does this mean that we can take what he says? Or that if he has not studied with a scholar, we must reject what he says?

    It’s another principle that must be really defined, I believe.

    If you look as some of the greats of our time, like Sh al-Albani, he was really self learnt in Hadith, but he was the greatest Hadith scholar since as-Suyuti.

    Anyway, even if he is not al-Albani’s student, Sh al-Albani in more than 20 (if I remember) instances praised his knowledge and said he is one of three most knowledgeable people in Hadith, so: so what if he is not al-Albani’s student!?

    Sh Rabi’s teacher before he became a Salafi was Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah, but we don’t claim that Sh Rabi is an innovator.

    Knowledge is known through a persons actions and writings, not who he sat with. There are some people who sat with Ibn ‘Uyainah for 20 years, and were in the same age of Imam Ahmad, but didn’t reach Imam Ahmad’s ankles, and he did not sit for a long time with Ibn ‘Uyainah. (Such as Ibrahim bin ash-Sharramadi)

    There’s really a lot to be said about this, and brohter Yusuf should add something realy.

  22. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah al-Falastini.

    My apologies for not replying sooner, but I haven’t really been visitin my blog much the last couple days.

    Unfortunately, I don’t know of any of Shaikh Ali Khashshan’s works, so I couldn’t really tell you. About the shaikh’s son-in-law, are you referring to Rida Na’san Mu’ti?

  23. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah Abul-Qayyim,

    Haven’t heard that before. But if that’s what Shaikh Ubaid’s saying about Shaikh Ali Hasan these days, that’s just ridiculous … . But whatever … if that’s what the shaikh wants to propagate, in the end, just as al-Falastini mentioned, it means very little–if anything at all. But for those who give these sorts of things importance, there’s a book that’s been compiled by someone named Abu Talhah Umar bin Ibrahim bin Hasan, pressumably a student of Shaikh Ali Hasan’s titled, al-Jawab al-I’lani ‘ala Man Nafa Talmadhah Fadilah ash-Shaikh Ali al-Halabi ‘alal-Imam al-Albani, which roughly translates to “The Public Reply to Whoever Negated the Noble Shaikh Ali al-Halabi’s Discipleship to al-Imam al-Albani”. The book’s 165 pages long, but the quotes contained within the first seven pages are more than enough (make that) overkill in refuting such a foolish claim. I might translate them just for the heck of it … we’ll see how I feel later.

  24. Yusuf says:

    Shaykh ‘Ubayd himself has referred to Shaykh al-Albaani as the teacher of Shaykh ‘Ali more than once – for example on the tape An-Naseehah as-Sareehah ila al-Jazaa’ir al-Jareehah, Side B.

    I have a lot more I could say but I’ve come to realize 99.9% of this turns out to be an absolute waste of time.

    In the end it doesn’t even matter if he is a student of his or not, as that itself is never able to be used as a proof for or against any argument.

    As far as whatever appears on Sahab or Albaidha these days with regards to this fitnah, just compare it to see how it is addressed on Kulalsalafiyeen. Read what the head members like Abul-‘Abbaas and others write in response and compare to see which is more knowledge-based… it’s pretty obvious.

  25. May Allah reward and bless you guys.

    Just a quick note … I finally found the quote from as-Silsilah as-Sahihah posted above by al-Falastini regarding Shaikhs Ali Hasan, Samir az-Zuhairi, and Abi Ishaq al-Huwaini. I found it in book 1 of vol. 2, pg. 720, near the bottom of the page.

  26. Yusuf says:

    By the way here’s the audio of Shaykh ‘Ubayd praising Shaykh ‘Ali al-Halabi greatly and referring to Shaykh al-Albaani as his teacher from none other than Sahab around 5 years ago – http://www.sahab.net/forums/showthread.php?p=470358

    .. again, not that I really believe this means anything anyway. This is simply a distraction away from addressing the points him and others have brought up recently, specifically with regards to labeling others as innovators and forcing boycott against them upon the rest.

    Two obvious questions are that if this was the methodology of Shaykh al-Albaani and others – such as Shaykh Ibn Baaz and Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen – then (1) why would it be so confusing if it was well-known this was their way? and (2) why did we only hear about after they died? Sad situation.. waAllahul-musta’aan.

  27. Abdul Hamid says:

    Salamalaikum

    What’s your say on this:

    Did al-Albani Have DirectStudents?

    From Silsilat ul-Hudaa wan-Noor no. 173

    Transcribed and Translated by Muhammad al-Jibaly

    A questioner asked Shaykh Muhammad Nāsir ud-Dīn al-Albānī (V) if it is possible to attribute some students to a shaykh without having studied directly under him. He replied:

    “This matter differs with circumstances. There is now (for example) correspondence study, without being present before the shaykh. Therefore, this is a matter of convention and of no substantial or valuable consequence. If we consider a person who learned from the books of a man of old or modern times, this person may be attributed as a student to that shaykh, even if he never met him or lived during his time, or if he lived during his time but never met him in person. What matters is that if he learns the shaykh’s knowledge and understanding. He may then be considered his student.”

    The questioner asked, “Is it permissible for him to declare himself as the student of so-and-so shaykh?” Al-Albani answered:

    “If the people understand from this that he is a direct student of the shaykh, this is deception. But if they do not understand this, there is nothing wrong with it as I have just explained.”

    The questioner asked, “Does the Shaykh (al-Albani) have students?” Al-Albani answered: “I have students according to this (indirect) way.”

    The questioner asked, “And how about the other (direct) way?” Al-Albani answered:
    “No, I do not have (direct students) here (in Amman, Jordan). But I used to have them in Shaam (Damascus).

  28. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

    Someone asked Dr. Jibaly about this, since he’s the one who translated it and he replied. I posted his reply to Islamic Awakening; it can be read here. I have a copy of the original email from his mailing list too, if you want it. Just let me know and I’ll forward it to the email address you used when posting your comment.

  29. Abdul Hamid says:

    brother Rasheed, jazakAllahukhayran

    please forward it to me, i appreciate it, barakallahufeek

  30. As-salaamu alaykum,

    The answer from Imam al-Albani is incomplete, and there is a similar answer wherein Imam al-Albani mentions Shaykhs Ali and Saleem together, with preference to Shaykh Ali. It was on kulalsalafiyeen a few days ago and I’m trying to find it now. In the mean time, see this:

    http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Hishaam1

  31. Abdul Hamid, it should be in your inbox by now, Allah willing.

  32. Yusuf says:

    Shaykh Muhammad Ibraahim Shaqrah was recently on the program Safahaat min Hayaati on Al Majd TV.

    Part 1 – http://woroodalkhaleej.net/programmes/1522.rm

    Part 2 – http://woroodalkhaleej.net/programmes/1529.rm

  33. Alban says:

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuhu. Brother Rasheed, i have a question for you. Are you struggling to give victory to the Salafi Manhaj or to give victory to Shaykh Ali Hasan and those who tread the same path as him?

  34. aboo faatimah says:

    as salamu alikum wa rahmatullah wa barak tu

    I posted on another email forum as they emailed me about shaikh ubaid saying that shaikh ali hasan is not shaikh al albanee student.

    I replied back to them asking them why did shaikh ubayd say 5 years ago that he WAS the student of shaikh al albanee?

    Also i asked them why have they not asked those of his students that are his students that are alive, whether shaikh ali hasan is his student or not?

    The reply i got was supprising:

    ….”we are clear on this issue and in weighing out the harm and the benefit”……

    Shaikh ubayd has contradictory statements? How is the issue clear?

    Weighing out what harm?…. Harm of exposing the contradictory view of shaikh ubayd? earlier and a latter one?

    It reminds me of the hadeeth of the prophet” sufficent for a person to be a liar, because they narrate everything they hear” Bukharee and muslim. OR see in this context.

    Harm, is it going to harm the likes of sp,troid and other personality lovers?…. who are seeking anyone who will spit anything and they are rushing to swallow it as if it is wahy comes from the mouths of these personality?

    I would encourage brothers to start standing up for the truth and not to fear the blame of the blamers and sladerers and tale carriers.

  35. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh, brother Alban.

    Shaikh Ali Hasan treads upon the Salafi methodology. So to answer your obviously goading question, I “struggle to give victory” to both, since they are one and the same.

    Now, I’ve got a question for you. If your only purpose is to post incindiary and goading comments and questions, why do you even bother visiting my blog, especially given the fact that it isn’t very active anymore? Surely you can find other sites that would provide you with greater benefit than some little inactive blog that’s supposedly heavily partisan to al-Halabi.

  36. Aboo Yoosuf says:

    This is quite sad. Do we now need a Shaykh to say grass is green and does grass become red if Shaykh so-and-so says so?

    Shaykh ‘Ubayd hafidhahullah himself said Shaykh ‘Alee al-Halabee is a student of Imaam al-Albanee, i.e. he acknowledged the grass is green. Just as Shaykh ‘Abdul Muhsin al-‘Abbad and Shaykh Wasee’ullaah Abbas also acknowledged it. And why is this akin to ‘grass is green’? Because Imaam al-Albanee himself called al-Halabi his student in various places!

    Shame that some brothers keep promoting this type of fitnah. Where is the following of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam when he said “It is sufficient for someone to be deemed a liar if he narrates everything he hears”?

    And then you call yourself Salafi? From the saved sect?!

  37. Yusuf says:

    Some close to Shaykh al-Albaani, such as Shaykh Muhammad Ibraahim Shaqrah, have said and always maintained that Shaykh al-Albaani had no students in Jordan. He still says this and mentioned it on the Safahaat min Hayaati episode, explaining that no one formally studied any book or matn under Shaykh al-Albaani after he left Saudi Arabia – which he maintains is the tradition definition of tilmeedh or student. However, the difference between him saying that and others who appear to be saying this now is that he can explain his views that he has in matters he disputes with Shaykh ‘Ali al-Halabi and others over – such as issues related to imaan, kufr and irjaa’ – without needing to even mention this point. Him and others such as Shaykh Muhammad Abu Ruhayyim only mention this as a side point.

    As far as others, it appears that they are bankrupt in arguing their positions with Shaykh ‘Ali al-Halabi’s recent work Manhaj as-Salaf as-Saalih. It seems that the most that could be achieved was Baazmool’s work which was refuted by many on Kulalsalafiyeen.com and in particular in Qurrat ‘Uyoon as-Salafiyyeen.

    The point is whether or not he is a student, formally or not, of Shaykh al-Albaani… what does that have to do with anything? Perhaps it addresses his claim that he is, but what does that have to do with any positions relative to us that are stated in Manhaj as-Salaf as-Saalih?

    As I said, it’s nothing more than a distraction… and a poor one at that considering they are the same exact people who told the entire planet that Shaykh ‘Ali al-Halabi was indeed a student of Shaykh al-Albaani.

    As has occurred many times in recent years, this seems to be yet another attempt to bully people into agreeing with certain views (or else!) rather than a sincere effort to convey the truth to people.

  38. Abdulhaq says:

    Shaykh Ali’s book Radd ul-Burhaanee, is more or less dedicated to responding to and refuting Shaykh Shaqrah. Shaykh Ali mentions that he did study a book with Imam al-Albani. Unfortunately certain elements seemed to suffer from hasad, particular as Imam al-Albani explictly praised Shaykh Ali Hasan in numerous instances, not to mention Imam al-Albani saying in the intro to Hukm Taarik Salah, which was a work which Muhammad Shaqrah openly says he disagreed with (hmmm), that Shaykh Ali Hasan is “our son and student”.

  39. Abu Shu'aib says:

    … would the book ‘Ali al-Halabi studied with al-Albani happen to be nukhbatu’l fikr?

  40. In the short biography I translated a while back off Shaikh Ali’s website, it mentions that he studied “al-Ba’ith al-Hathith and other books” on Hadith terminology under Shaikh al-Albani in 1981CE.

  41. Mohsin says:

    Does anyone know who Dr. Abdul-Adheem Badawi is from Egypt? apparently he is from the senior scholars of Egypt and studied for a number of years with Shaykh Al-Albani? surprised and would like more info if possible.

    jazakhAllah khair

  42. Yusuf could probably tell you a lot more than I can about the shaikh, but he’s best known for his fiqh primer titled, al-Wajiz fi Fiqh as-Sunnah wal-Kitab al-‘Aziz, which has been translated into English by Jamaal al-Din Zarabozo (if I’m not mistaken) under the title, The Concise Presentation of the Fiqh of the Sunnah and the Noble Book. (He’s also rumoured to be visiting Canada sometime soon).

  43. Yusuf says:

    A quick intro.. Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Adheem bin Badawi is well-known in Egypt and throughout the Arab world as he is active on the variety of Islamic TV channels. However like many other scholars and students of knowledge, he remains fairly unknown in the West.

    He was born in 1373H (1954CE) in the village ash-Sheen in al-Gharbiyyah province of Egypt.

    He obtained a license in Usool ad-Deen from Al-Azhar in 1977CE and then worked as an imaam and khateeb for the Ministry of Religious Affairs in Cairo. He then went to Jordan as an imaam and khateeb fr the Ministry of Religius Affairs of Jordan for 11 years and during that time he frequented Shaykh al-Albaani often. He later returned to Egypt where he lives now.

    He also obtained a Masters degree in 1994CE with his research Al-Harb was-Salaam fi Dhaw’ Surah Muhammad ‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam (War and Peace in Light of Surah Muhammad ‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam).

    In 1998CE he obtained a Doctorate degree with his research Shaykh al-Azhar Mustafa ‘Abdur-Raaziq wa Juhduhu fid-Da’wah (Shaykh Al-Azhar Mustafa ‘Abdur-Raaziq and his Efforts in Da’wah).

    He has authored more than 20 works, with the most famous being Al-Wajeez fi Fiqh as-Sunnah wal-Kitaab al-‘Azeez (download here).

    A brief bio from the shaykh can be seen here.

    His website is http://www.ibnbadawy.com and you can find many lectures (audio and video) there. There’s also video lectures of the shaykh here.

    If you want to get in touch with him then I think his numbers are 002-0123710975 and 002-0402784677.

    If you are in Egypt then you can attend his class which is the first Sunday of every month (according to the Christian calendar) at Masjid at-Tawheed in Shubra (Cairo). There’s also duroos of other scholars there such as Majdi ‘Arafaat and his brother Sa’ad ‘Arafaat, Usaamah Sulaymaan, ‘Umar bin ‘Abdul-‘Azeez al-Qurashi, ‘Aadil al-‘Azaazi (who also frequented Shaykh al-Albaani for several years while he was in Jordan). The website for the masjid is http://www.altawhid.net.

  44. aboo faatimah says:

    As salamu alikum wa rahmatullah wa barak tu

    This is off the topic, can someone be able to provide some detail on the individual by the name yaseer burhami, i have seen a quite a bit written against him, and it seesm that he is a takferie from egypt.

    The reason i am asking is that many youths are attracted to his works as well as some whom have studied in egypt are pumping him as a salafi shaikh? but they do not cooperate with the slafi brothers.

    Jazak Allah Khairan

  45. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    I personally don’t know anything about Shaikh Yasir Burhami (ياسر برهامى), but Yusuf has mentioned his name before in the comments section of my What’s the Deal with QSS?! post: in this comment, as well as some of the subsequent comments he’s made after it. From the stuff Yusuf’s posted, the shaikh is Salafi.

  46. Yusuf says:

    What is the proof that was mentioned in those articles that he is takfeeri? I personally suggest you review his site salafvoice.com for lectures, fatawa and articles on kufr and iman. That makes it quite clear as to what his true position on these issues are, instead of depending on what others say regarding him or extract from his words.

    The irony is that he’s also accused of being a murji’ due to his writing Qiraa’at Naqdiyyah li-Kitaab Dhaahirat al-Irjaa’.

    Burhaami and other shaykhs from Alexandria, such as Ahmad Fareed and Muhammad Ismaa’il al-Muqaddam, were actually from the earliest to warn against the dangers of the different groups in Egypt such as at-Takfeer wal-Hijrah and also the mistakes of Qutb and Banna.

  47. abdullah al hallak says:

    i am a little confused, so shaykh rabee and shaykh ali al halabi and abu ishaq al huwainy are salafi correct?

  48. I’d say they’re all salafi and I don’t see what’d be so confusing about that either.

  49. abdullah says:

    well it is a little confusing cause everyone is saying diferent things and i dont know who to believe. but this seems moer correct though

  50. I guess it could be a bit confusing for those who’re either new to everything or get caught up in all the personalities and he said, she said stuff. Understanding what Salafism is all about and seeing things for what they are really helps clear the confusion.

  51. abdullah says:

    jazakallahukhayran akhi

  52. Ibn_Ahmed says:

    Assalamu alaykum,
    I hope this helps you akhee Abdullah,

    Shaikh Salih Suhaymee mentions what a Muslim should busy himself with…

  53. abdullah says:

    Ibn_ahmed may alah reward you with good akhi

  54. unlissted says:

    Mr.Rasheed is there anything on the net explaining the issue of shart kamal shart siha, it is something I hear attached to Shaykh Albani..your friend unlissted2010

  55. I’m sure there’s a lot you can find on the topic. I think SP might have translated some things on it back when they were still ok with Shaikh Ali Hasan and the turmoil surrounding the Permanent Committee’s verdicts on his two books.

    There’s also this article I translated from Shaikh Ahmad Salih az-Zahrani’s book, Sharh Alfadh as-Salaf that you can look at: The Deed is the Condition of Faith’s Perfection.

  56. Aboo Yoosuf says:

    Brother Yusuf/Rasheed or anybody else, do you have any source from which Sh Ubayd’s previous audio wherein he referred Sh Ali as Sh al-Albani’s student can be currently downloaded from? Like the tape Yusuf mentioned from Sh Ubayd “An-Naseehah as-Sareehah ila al-Jazaa’ir al-Jareehah, Side B”? The sahab link posted (http://www.sahab.net/forums/showthread.php?p=470358) has the text but the audio is unavailable to d’load anymore.

    It’d have been beneficial if any such audio could be uploaded on youtube for the clarification of the Salafees …

  57. Yusuf says:

    I’ll have to dig for it.

    Shaykh Rabee’ also refers to him as being from the students of Shaykh al-Albaani on the tape مكالمات هاتفية مع مشايخ الدعوة السلفية . .

    قال السائل: بالنسبة لأبي رحيم!!! ـ هذا ـ هل تعرفه؟.

    فأجاب ـ حفظه الله ـ :«أبو رحيم ما أعرفه، ولكن الإخوان تلاميذ الألباني يشكون من كتبه، يشكون منه، يقولون إنه مع التكفيريين. ـ والله أعلم ـ أنا ما قرأت، سأقرأ له ـ إن شاء الله ـ وإن كان عنده …(كلمة غير مفهومة) عن منهج السلف نعطيه نصيحة ـ إن شاء الله ـ أنا لا أقدر أحكم عليه الآن لأني ما قرأت، ولكن السلفيين يشكون منه». اهـ

    However, I don’t have the audio for it either.

    As far as how much of a clarification it’d be for the Salafees, Allah knows best.

    Honestly, and I’ll be blunt, what is needed is for people to stop depending on YouTube clips and PDF files as to build the fundamental basis upon which they worship their Lord.

    I do understand how it can bring some benefit, but until the people learn Arabic, they’re basically enslaved to those who mostly selectively translate for them.

    On the other hand, I’m really not seeing what is so confusing about some of these things. Some of these issues simply require you to put on your thinking cap for 5 minutes to realize others are using and abusing others in the name of “supporting the da’wah” and “spreading Salafiyyah” and so on.

    Sure, it’d be useful to show others that Shaykh ‘Ubayd himself said Shaykh ‘Ali al-Halabi was a student of Shaykh al-Albaani… but back to my initial point, who cares? Why does that even matter? Does his being or not being a student have any impact on the arguments and points they’re desperately trying to oppose? No, it doesn’t matter whatsoever. Until Salafees can make such a simple, logical conclusion, I don’t really expect the masses to realize where they’ve been mistaken. And then there’s another issue, which is that most of these brothers and sisters still knee-deep in spreading this fitnah probably don’t even want to realize or acknowledge they’re mistaken in the first place.

    As far as those Salafees who are searching YouTube or reading this blog for example and Allah hasn’t tested their heart with such a trial, then yes, it’d probably be beneficial for them.

  58. Aboo Yoosuf says:

    This is the sad state of affairs for the laymen. Many shy away from controversial issues or issues that causes separation and enmity, but a large proportion of the laymen continue to rely blindly on what is being fed by way of translation from SP, Troid, etc.

    Look at the website of Shadeed Muhammad (rawdah.org), QSS NY (albaseerah.org), etc and you would not find them entertaining such matters. Perhaps Shadeed Muhammad or Zaahid Rasheed considers al-Ma’ribi to be an innovator, perhaps not, based on what they heard and read from some of the Scholars, but has anyone seen them behaving like, for instance, Abu Khadeejah and Abu Hakeem? And I don’t mean to say the latter two are not Salafees, may Allah forgive them their shortcomings and reward them for their good.

    Here is a small example from a brother’s blog, who is a current student at Madeenah University: http://khaldun.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/two-pagan-festivals/#comment-373
    The brother, may Allah bless him, quotes Sh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid regarding about what he says in his islam-qa site on Valentine’s Day, followed by a quote from Imam Ibn Taymiyyah. Soon, a random sister comments that Salafis in her community says al-Munajjid is an Ikhwani and she wanted clarification, to which brother wittily replied, please ask someone more knowledgeable than me on this.

    The point is, as in the above example, many laymen Salafis get confused with so much going about so-and-so, and they have the desire to follow the Salaf and to listen to the Scholars. And you’d find many brothers and sisters, may Allah reward them, only promoting few beneficial sites such as http://www.understand-islam.net, because these sites are known to lay the principles of Salafiyyah and manhaj of the Salaf, minus the qeel wa qaal.

    I totally agree that the initial step in seeking knowledge, apart from sincerity, is to learn the language of the Quran. Look at the Islamic Universities in Saudi: they first emphasize on learning Arabic for two years before anything for non-Arabic speaking people. This speaker was saying on paltalk the other month about how Salafis all know that “jarh takes precedence over ta’deel” and so Abu Usamah is a deviant. I mean, it’s like, you know, you’re not from the people to speak about such things in the first place! and then you make it seem like this is the absolute truth, the criterion for being upon salafiyyah! The Major Scholars disagree on various issues regarding what is jarh and what is hawaa and what is ghuloo, yet your speech is like Sh Fulan said “so-and-so is a hizbi” and it’s done!

    How many of students in Madeenah gets bogged down with “al-jarh wat-ta’deel” and how many Salafees in the West get bogged down by it? This is a reality check brothers, most of these Students who go to land of tawheed to learn about Islam don’t get bogged down by refutation on so-and-so while we, the laymen in the West, is only concerned about who fulaan is sitting with and what Sh Fulaan said about fulaan and so on! Not to say, refutation is not important as some would then accuse me of saying I censor refutations, but like akh Rasheed posted:
    “Salafiyyah: Do you get it?”

  59. Yusuf says:

    The audio of Shaykh Rabee’ saying that Shaykh ‘Ali al-Halabi from the students of Shaykh al-Albaani is here, though the quality of the recording is somewhat weak.

  60. Yusuf says:

    ‘Afwan, and the audio of Shaykh ‘Ubayd that was missing from Sahab is here.

  61. Ibn_Ahmed says:

    Assalamu alaykum,
    A bit like Rasheed’s other post ‘Tea pot..’
    Shaikh Alee Al-Halabi here speaks a bit more here:
    http://www.al-sunna.net/audio/file.php?id=1094

  62. alboriqee says:

    al-Huwaynee, al-Muqadim, and others are all salafi and there is different kalaam. Our view is that we do not dismantle them out of sunnah over some mistaken positions and there is no alim on earth who does not have a mistaken position. The issues pertaining to these men of sunnah with those who hereticate them is based on the issues pertaining to taking sides over ijtihaad.

    as for Alamaah Abdul-Adheem al-Badawee, after Abu Taubah literally showed me over 20 ijazaat if different books back to the Imaams, he told me how he studied with Abdul-Adheem. He is the ONLY western student to have been given a full relationship with the shaykh, to the point that the shaykh allowed him to live in his own him with his family. He is likewise the only westerner who authorized him to teach his al-Wajeez to others. So he wanted me to go through this as well as Umdatul-fiqh with him. Of course, my issue is time, subhanallah.

    just wanted to comment on Abdul-Adheem, he is definately a rabbani alim.

    asalamu alaikum

  63. Adam says:

    Assalamou Alaykoum
    I have a question for you and if this can be passed on to some other Scholars Jazakum Allah khair.

    I have listened to one of Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni ‘s videos to be honest with you, I was shocked.
    I don’t see how this man can be one of the leading authorities in our beautiful religion Al Islam

    Here is the link and please do listen to his interview

    How can we attract other people to Islam if a man like him keeps shouting things like this like even if the person repents we should him?

    Allah sobhanou wa ta3ala forgives and we don’t, If someone is an ignorant (Jahil) we leave him , Ina Allah yehdi men yechaa

    So by a scholar saying things like these, people won’t be coming anywhere near Islam these statements are extremely dangerous.

    anyone has any explanation to this thank you wa jazakoum ALLAH khair

    Salam Alaykoum
    Adam

  64. as-Salam ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah, Adam. Welcome to my blog.

    How can we attract other people to Islam if a man like him keeps shouting things like this

    Not once in that video did I hear Shaikh Abu Is·haq shout or even see him look agitated or worked up; he looks to be discussing the issue very calmly and rationally. That is the first thing.

    The second thing is that this issue regarding the ruling on someone who insults the Prophet is a jurisprudential issue. From what I know, the shaikh is expressing the same position that is expressed by Shaikh of Islam Ibn Taimiyyah, as discussed in his book, as-Sarim al-Maslul ‘ala Shatim ar-Rasul (which translates as The Unsheathed Sword on the One Who Curses the Messenger); a book that discusses this issue and the various aspects related to it.

    Islam is based on truth and monotheism, not hippy-like lovey dovey, warm fuzzies. Capital punishment is a part of our shari’ah. If people are uncomfortable with that fact, that’s their problem and something they need to fix. People also need to get over the fact that there are jurisprudential debates among scholars with varying opinions regarding practically every subject and issue you can find. People get so fanactical over opinions and unnecessarily hostile towards opposing opinions. Get over it … go sit down and have a soda … relax or something.

  65. Adam says:

    Assalamou Alaykoum.

    Thank you Rasheed,
    First of all I didn’t say he was agitated.
    Are you a convert bro?
    If yes, imagine we presented Islam to you in this way, it would put you right off, won’t it?

    Brother / sister, this is exactly the sort of attitude we should NOT present we are all supposed to be ambassadors of our religion, we will be held accountable for these once in front of ALLAH.
    We can’t say it’s “Their” problem, I think and I believe that there’s something definitely wrong with this ruling, and I am almost convinced if we do a thorough research we will find that it is extremely harsh as a punishment,

    How can we then turn around and tell people our religion is a religion of “love, peace, patience, etc.?
    The Prophet SAWS himself didn’t execute people spitting at him, swearing at him, what gives these scholars the right to do something that the prophet SAWS himself didn’t do?

    Besides I see that many Muslims went a bit too far in almost worshiping our prophet instead of ALLAH.
    No I still maintain that this is a harsh punishment, first the person who insults our prophet we need to show him/her that our religion is worth more than him.
    I am sorry in the recent years what used to be the religion of peace and love has turned into the religion of kill, fight, chastise that’s all we see from our so called scholars, personally I don’t trust any of them, I read the Qu’oran I search for the true Hadith saheeh if not there’s too much confusion, everybody says things the way it pleases him.

    It is all our duty to show that Islam is really what it says on the tin.
    I am sorry for my honesty, but I am being brutally honest in my reply.

  66. Adam says:

    Assalmou Alaykoum,
    Another thing I would like to point out why do we keep hearing Assalafi this Assalafi that, and all these names given attributed to the Umah of Islam?

    We all know what the word Assalaf means and what is wrong with that?
    Does it mean there’s an innovation in Islam, I don’t think so, Assalafi is someone who a traditional, surely all of these tags should not exist within the Muslim Umah,

    We all have to refer to the Sunnah and a Sunnah in itself is a Salafia
    Why all these divisions?

    I can accept that people have different opinions on some issues, but to be completely detached from the Islamic teachings, it’s rather disturbing.

  67. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah.

    First of all I didn’t say he was agitated.

    No, you didn’t. I did. You said he was shouting, which he wasn’t. I mentioned agitation because people usually shout when they get agitated or emotional, both of which, the shaikh did not look, hence my mentioning it.

    Are you a convert bro? If yes, imagine we presented Islam to you in this way, it would put you right off, won’t it?

    Yes, I’m a convert. And no, it wouldn’t have put me off. For one, I know that all laws in Islam are ordained and legislated by Allah. As our creator, lord and god, Allah has the right to legislate any punishment He sees fit for whatever crime He deems to be a crime. This is one of the fundamental aspects of Allah’s monotheism, which is what the focus of every caller to Islam’s call should be (i.e., Allah’s monotheism and what it entails).

    The sincere seeker of truth will not let emotions and personal feelings blind them from truth. I do not promote Islam as a religion of peace and love. I promote Islam as the ultimate truth, a religion that makes sense, a religion that is practical and offers solutions to whatever problems our societies face–a religion from God. It dictates how we’re to behave and conduct ourselves not only in times of peace, but also in times of war. It is a religion that dictates all aspects of our lives, from religious rites to our dailing interactions with others. It is not a hippy religion of kumbaya campfire sing-alongs and I do not promote it as such.

    As for your other point about the term “as-Salaf”, this is not the thread for such a discussion. If you wish, feel free to read the articles and other posts I’ve put up about the topic.

  68. Abu Shu'aib says:

    [I]As-Salamu ‘Alaykum[/I],

    … this might be relevant, although some was mentioned above:

    جاء فى أخر الشريط رقم 87 من سلسلة الهدى و النور للشيخ محمد ناصر الدين الألبانى – رحمه الله

    سأل أحد الطلبة الشيخ ألألباني : من توصي به من المعاصرين في علم الحديث من تلاميذكم؟

    فقال : فيه عندكم الشيخ مقبل تلاميذنا الشيخ مقبل …وفيه شاب مصري ناشئ في مصر قد زارنا في عمان إسمه الحويني ……ثم تكلم الشيخ عن أخرون مثل الأرناؤوط وغيره

    *قال الشيخ الألباني رحمه الله في السلسلة الصحيحة المجلد الخامس صفحة 585 في معرض تعليقه للحديث رقم 2457

    ((و اعلم أنه كان من الدواعي على إخراج هذا الحديث هناأمور وقفت عليها فما أحببت أن أدع التنبيه عليها :
    الأول : أننى رأيت المعلق على ( المنتقى ) لابن الجارود عزا الحديث من رواية يحيى بن سعيد هذه للستة و غيرهم و ليس عندهم زيادةالتسبيح .و نبه على ذلك صديقنا الفاضل أبو إسحاق الحوينى في كتابه القيم : ( غوث المكدود في تخريج منقى ابن الجارود ) و قد أهدى إلى الجزء الأول منه جزاه الله خيراذكر العلامة المحدث الالبانى رحمه الله الشيخ الحوينى حفظه الله في القسم الثالث من الجزء السابع فقال(مع اننى اعترف له بالفضل في هذا العلم)من سلسلة الأحاديث الصحيحة (ص1676 -ص 1677)

    *قال الشيخ الألباني رحمه الله فى القسم الثالث من الجزء السابع من(سلسلة الأحاديثالصحيحة)(ص1676-1677):

    ((هذا ولقد كان من دواعى تخريج حديث الترجمة بهذا التحقيق الذىرأيته:أن أخانا الفاضل(أبا اسحاق الحوينى)سئل فى فصله الخاص الذى تنشره له مجلة (التوحيد)الغراء فى كل عدد من أعدادها فسئل -حفظه الله وزاده علما وفضلا-عن الحديثفى العدد(الثالث-ربيع أول-1419)؟فضعفه,وبين ذلك ملتزما علم الحديث وما قاله العلماءفى رواة اسناده ,فأحسن فى ذلك أحسن البيان ,جزاه الله خيرا,لكنى كنت أود وأتمنى أن يتبع ذلك ببيان أن الحديث بأطرافه الثلاثة صحيح حتى لايتوهمن أحد من قراء فصله أنالحديث ضعف مطلقا سندا ومتنا))

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