Shaikh Salîm al-Hilâlî On Manhood & Shaikh Abul-Hasan al-Ma’ribî

As mentioned in my post titled What’s the Deal with QSS?!, a retranslated text version of a question posed to Shaikh Abū Usâmah Salîm bin ‘Îd al-Hilâlî during Brixton Mosque’s Return to Ilm 8 conference regarding his position towards Shaikh Abul-Hasan Mustafâ bin Ismâ’îl al-Ma’ribî and the answer he gave would be posted here soon. The answer contains many important bits of information regarding the whole controversy surrounding Shaikh Abul-Hasan. In his answer, Shaikh Salîm gives a very brief, but fair overview of the situation. He also mentions some facts concerning Shaikh Rabî’, which “the other side” rarely ever mentions. The answer also includes some possible motivating factors behind why Shaikh Abul-Hasan was unjustly vilified and demonized by his detractors; these are also very relevant to what’s going on presently concerning the attacks against Shaikh Abul-Hârith ‘Alî bin Hasan al-Halabî.

For those of you wanting to be fair and be objective, what Shaikh Salîm mentions in his answer is a must read and should be something that should be given consideration when looking at the whole affair. What he mentions corroborates other statements made by other scholars like Shaikh ‘Abdul-Muhsin al-‘Abbâd that suggest that what occurred between Shaikhs Rabî’ and Abul-Hasan was not religious in nature, but rather, that it was something personal; the religious matters raised were merely a pretext. If one researches the various statements of the scholars from the People of the Sunnah concerning the religious and academic issues held against Shaikh Abul-Hasan, e.g., the issues pertaining to âhâd hadîth, taking a person’s summarized words according to his elaborate words (mujmal & mufassal), etc., this is the only possible just and fair conclusion one can come to. In any case, more of these issues (i.e., the academic, religious issues) may possibly be covered here in the future. We’ll see, Allah willing.

Manhood: Equity, Correctness, & Giving Adversaries Their Rights (PDF ) – a link to the audio recording is contained in the PDF file for those who want to hear the answer for themselves.

About Rasheed Gonzales
My name is Rasheed Gonzales. I’m a Muslim convert of Filipino descent. Born and raised in Toronto, Canada, I was guided to Islam through one of my younger brothers and a couple of friends, all of whom had converted to Islam sometime before me (may Allah reward them greatly). I am married with four children (and the praise is Allah’s) and also a volunteer for the Qur'an & Sunnah Society of Canada, based in Toronto.

15 Responses to Shaikh Salîm al-Hilâlî On Manhood & Shaikh Abul-Hasan al-Ma’ribî

  1. Abu Yunus says:

    As salaamu alaykum,

    A very excellent translation of an excellent transcript yaa Abaa Ishaaq!

    Keep you the good work and may Allaah keep you steadfast upon Salafiyyah.

    Abu Yunus
    Salt Lake City, Utah

  2. AKA says:

    Assalaamualaykum,
    When was this lecture delivered? Can we know the date & year?

  3. May Allah reward and bless you, brother Abu Yunus. Much thanks for the kind words.

    “AKA”, the date is mentioned in the first footnote of the translated transcript.

  4. AKA says:

    Jazaak Allah Akhee!
    I believe the best part of the Q & A was when Shaykh Salim Hilaali spoke about the conversation that took place at Shaykh Rabee`s house. It shocked the translator too & we can hear the buzz in the audio. Excellent! Keep posting.

    Wassalaamualaykum

  5. Wa iyyakum.

    Translating that part got the brother in a bit of trouble. The SP bunch tattled on him and the brother was forced to apologize to Shaikh Rabî’ for it. And even after that, they still weren’t happy with that poor brother.

    In a statement posted to the now defunct alisteqama.net, Shaikh Salîm was quoted as saying,

    The Sūfîs had introduced what they call repentance to the shaikh with their claim that he is a mediator between the disciple and the Lord of the worlds, and this is a type of polytheism. For surely, repentance is not except for Allah, like the prayer, the fast, the Hajj, the sacrifice … for it is Allah’s right. Whoever contemplates the verses and the hadîths that obligate repentance will find it a worship not befitting except for Allah, like the prostration and the fast.

    The brother who posted this quote from Shaikh Salîm then commented saying,

    A generation has appeared, they threaten you and frighten you with the shaikh instead of Allah, “for if you do not return, we will inform the shaikhs about you,” and “if you err, we will bring your affair up to them.” If you said, “I repent,” they would say, “[not] until we ask the shaikh.” Then if the shaikh said, “He repented,” they would say, “he repented,” and if he said, “He did not repent,” they would say, “he did not repent.” And if he swore by Allah to the limit of his oath, they would say, “The shaikh is more truthful than you!”

    So away with this new Sūfism newly added to the Salafî methodology.

  6. Aboo Ubaydah al-Maaldeefee says:

    Is my comment still on moderation or was it deleted?

  7. as-Salam ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah, Aboo Ubaydah.

    Your comment was deleted for several reasons. Among them is the fact that I don’t know who you are and don’t feel that I should be troubled to verify your claim. Also is the fact that what you claim the shaikh said is vague and general, without details. Also is the fact that currently, the shaikh has personal problems between him and other shaikhs, such as his long time colleague, Shaikh ‘Alî Hasan, and such as Shaikh Muhammad Hassan, which are likely motivators behind some of his recent statements against them. I will not accept the disparaging statement of any individual about another when I know of personal problems that exist between the two. For those wondering what my precedent is in this: Imam Malik’s harsh comments against Muhammad bin Ishaq (author of Sirah an-Nabi) are not considered due to the fact that they had a personal beef between them. Likewise, Imam adh-Dhuhli’s disparaging comments against Imam al-Bukhari are not considered for the same reason.

  8. Aboo Ubaydah al-Maaldeefee says:

    wa ‘alaykumus-salaam wa-rahmatullaahi wa-barakaatuhu,
    I don’t know about this personal problem which you say there is between Shaykh Saleem and Shaykh ‘Alee.
    Please enlighten me.
    And this making of everything that you dont like from the disparaging comments of the mashaykh as ‘personal problems’is something to be given some thought on, barakallaah feeka.

  9. I don’t know about this personal problem which you say there is between Shaykh Saleem and Shaykh ‘Alee.
    Please enlighten me.

    If you want, I’m sure if you search a bit you’ll be able to find people making mention of the problem between Shaikh Salîm and some of the other Jordanian shaikhs on various forums. I will not, however, be discussing these matters here, nor will I approve any comments that disclose the details of their problems, as doing so is of no benefit and amounts to backbiting and gossip; it is one thing to warn against heretic beliefs and deviations in creed and methodology, it’s another to start discussing people’s personal problems, exposing their shortcomings and sins, whether alleged or actual.

    And this making of everything that you dont like from the disparaging comments of the mashaykh as ‘personal problems’is something to be given some thought on, barakallaah feeka.

    May Allah reward and bless you, brother. It has nothing to do with what I like and what I don’t like. It has everything to do with following the truth, accepting statements backed with evidence and proof. It is also looking at statements and the various factors that could have influenced them and then judging accordingly.

  10. Abu Uthman says:

    As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah

    I hope you’re well akhi. I hate to trouble you but wanted to ask you concerning this,

    “What he mentions corroborates other statements made by other scholars like Shaikh ‘Abdul-Muhsin al-’Abbâd that suggest that what occurred between Shaikhs Rabî’ and Abul-Hasan was not religious in nature, but rather, that it was something personal; the religious matters raised were merely a pretext. If one researches the various statements of the scholars from the People of the Sunnah concerning the religious and academic issues held against Shaikh Abul-Hasan, e.g., the issues pertaining to âhâd hadîth, taking a person’s summarized words according to his elaborate words (mujmal & mufassal), etc., this is the only possible just and fair conclusion one can come to.”

    Do you have references/links to what Shaykh `Abd Al-Muhsin and the others said? I once saw Shaykh Saalih Al-Fawzaan’s comment on the issue on prosunnah.org, but it’s not there anymore. Baarak Allaahu feeka

    Was-salaam

  11. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh, brother Abu Uthman.

    I’m doing well, brother; may Allah reward and bless you. I pray that you’re doing well in health and faith too, Allah willing.

    Regarding your question, it’s no trouble at all, Allah willing. The statement I’m referring to in the quote you provided above was from an audio clip from a few years ago. The questioner asked the shaikh about something that was conveyed over the internet and the shaikh confirms. You can listen to the question at the 4:14 mark of this audio (WMA format). He basically says that the numerous essays Shaikh Rabi’ has written shows that there is something personal behind it; the exact words the shaikh used are “كون الشيخ ربيع كتب عدة رسائل كثيرة – يعني – هذا يدل على أن في النفوس شيئا”.

    As for what Shaikh Salih al-Fawzan said, I assume you’re referring to the statement he made when asked about Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin’s book, Rifqan Ahl as-Sunnah, where the questioner asks him about what’s going on between Shaikhs Rabi’ and Abul-Hasan and he brushes it off telling the questioner to leave them both. If so, you can listen to it here (RAM format).

  12. Abu Uthman says:

    As-salaaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah

    Baarak Allaahu feeka for the swift, informative response. Haven’t got round to listening to the first yet, but I found it hard to understand what Shaykh Saalih said, especially after the question about distributing the book (I got ما كان رفق شيء إلا جالة) and specifically what he said after I believe, اتركهم كلهم. By the way, I don’t think what I read was a transcript of this. Khayr, I much appreciate your help and this has helped so jazaak Allaahu khaya.

  13. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, Abu Uthman.

    Wa fika barak Allah. I think there might be a transcript of the al-Fawzan audio somewhere. I’ll try searching around and see what I can find.

    I was checking our ProSunnah.org’s site and was able to find this old translation I did (at least I think I was the one who translated it … can’t remember), which they probably took off the defunct Siraat.org/.net. Perhaps this is the statement you were thinking of? The Evils of Incriminating and Passing Judgement Upon the People.

  14. Abu Uthman says:

    It wasn’t that article either, I read that again just last night. I could be mistaken but for some reason, clearly remember a question being put to Shaykh Saalih Al-Fawzaan up on their site. I believe the article was from Abu Sayfillah. I’ll ask them inshaa’ Allaah.

    Na`am, a transcript will help as I’m a beginner, and struggle a lot more with speech/audio. Jazaak Allaahu khayran, if I find what I was looking for I’ll let you know.

    Was-salaam

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