Shaikh al-‘Ubailân On What’s Going On Between Shaikhs ‘Alî al-Halabî & Ahmad Bâzmūl

Shaikh ‘Abdullah bin Sâlih al-‘Ubailân was asked,

Our shaikh, may Allah preserve you, what is your view regarding what is circulating in the assembly rooms (i.e., the Internet forums and message boards) of conveying the words and the refutations for this and that, particularly in the latest times and what is occurring between Shaikh Ahmad Bâzmūl and Shaikh ‘Alî al-Halabî? And pardon me, have you read al-Halabî’s latest treatise, Manhaj as-Salaf asSâlih, and what is your comment on it? May Allah increase you in knowledge and godliness.

The shaikh, may Allah preserve him, answered saying,

Each of the two men are from the People of the Sunnah and our brother, Shaikh ‘Allâmah ‘Alî is from the senior Salafî callers in Jordan and the land of the Levant. We consider him as such and we do not vouch for anyone over Allah. I hope that the differing between them falls within the frame of the permissible ijtihâd with the People of the Sunnah; and what is greater than that has occurred between the Predecessors and none of them accused the other regarding their religion. Shaikh of Islam Ibn Taimiyyah said,

And likewise, the jurists disputed regarding [with one another] the prayer behind the people of desires and the sinners. From them are those who apply the permission and from them are those who apply the prevention. It is certain that the prayer behind them is not prohibited  from due to the invalidity of their prayer in itself, but because if they make their reprehensible aspects known they deserve to be kept away from and not set forward in the prayer over the Muslims. And from this door is refraining from visiting them and their funerals. All of this is from the door of the legislated abandonment for censure of the reprehensible thing in order to prohibit from it. If it is recognized that this is from the door of legal punitive measures, it is known that it varies with the diversity of situations, from the scarcity and abundance of the heresy, and that the legislated thing might be uniting at times and abandonment at others, just as the Prophet, may Allah send salutations and peace upon him, united with peoples from the polytheists, from those who were recently acquainted with Islam and who he (i.e., the Prophet) feared the tribulation for, so he gave those whose hearts were reconciled what he did not give others. In the authentic hadîth, he said, «I surely award men and I leave off [awarding] men, and the one who I leave off awarding is more beloved to me than the one who I award. I award men for what Allah placed in their hearts of restlessness and anxiety, while I leave off [awarding] men for what Allah placed in their hearts of affluence and good; from them is ‘Amr bin Taghlib» [Minhâj as-Sunnah, vol. 1, pg. 64].

He also said,

From what is connected to this door is that it is known that a type of the ijtihâd linked with speculation and a type of the hidden desire might occur from a man great in knowledge and religion, from the Companions, the Followers, and whoever was after them, until the Day of Standing, of the people of the [prophetic] house or other than them. So what it is not befitting for him to be followed in occurs because of that, even if he was from Allah’s godly patrons. The likes of this, if it occurred, becomes a tribulation for two factions: a faction that aggrandizes him, thus desires to deem that action and following him in it correct, and a faction that censures him and makes that a detractor from his patronage and godliness, even from his reverence and his being from the people of Paradise, even from his faith such that they expel him from faith. Both of these parties are corrupt.

The interior of this came over the Khawârij, the Rawâfid, and others from the possessors of desires. Whoever traversed the path of justice aggrandizes whoever deserved aggrandizement, loves him and sympathizes with him. He gives the truth its right, aggrandizes the truth, is merciful to the people, and knows that a single man can have good deeds and misdeeds, is praised and censured, is rewarded and penalized, is loved from one aspect and hated from [another]. This is the opinion of the People of the Sunnah and Congregation, contrary to the Khawârij, the Mu’tazilah, and those who agree with them [Minhâj as-Sunnah, vol. 4, pg. 544].

And our brother, Shaikh Ahmad, I am not acquainted with him, but I do not know of him except good. May Allah grant success to the people in what He loves and is pleased with, and may He unite our hearts upon the guidance. May Allah send salutations, peace, and blessings upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and his companions.

 Source: Obailan.net, posted on the shaikh’s site on February 5, 2009.

About Rasheed Gonzales
My name is Rasheed Gonzales. I’m a Muslim convert of Filipino descent. Born and raised in Toronto, Canada, I was guided to Islam through one of my younger brothers and a couple of friends, all of whom had converted to Islam sometime before me (may Allah reward them greatly). I am married with four children (and the praise is Allah’s) and also a volunteer for the Qur'an & Sunnah Society of Canada, based in Toronto.

11 Responses to Shaikh al-‘Ubailân On What’s Going On Between Shaikhs ‘Alî al-Halabî & Ahmad Bâzmūl

  1. hanif says:

    Asalaamulaiykum,

    I am unfamiliar with Shaikh al-’Ubailân, could you please give me a brief bio, for example who he has studied under, tazkiyyah, positions etc

    jazaka’Allaah khair

  2. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

    Shaikh ‘Abdullah Salih al-‘Ubailan is a scholar from Saudi. I’ve tried searching for one online, but I cannot find a biography of the shaikh. Allah willing, if and when I come across one, I’ll translate it and post it up for those who want to know a little about him. In the meantime, anyone who is interested, they can check out the shaikh’s website (www.obailan.net) and read the various articles and verdicts posted there to see what he’s all about. If you can’t read Arabic, then some of his works can be found translated into English on Aboo Maryam Alarcon’s website (www.al-ibaanah.com), mostly regarding jurisprudential issues.

    When I get home from work, I’ll check the books I have of his to see if there’s anything about him, Allah willing.

  3. Yusuf says:

    إعلام الخلان بسيرة عبدالله العبيلان
    http://www.alsaha.com/users/252859151/entries/129110

    RG’s edit: alsaha.com is now closed. I was able to find the biography on kulalsalafiyeen.com.

  4. Once again, Yusuf pulls through! Haha. May Allah reward and bless you for the link.

  5. Yusuf says:

    May Allah reward and bless you and your family.

    In shaa’ Allah maybe one day I’ll release my book:

    الحث على دراسة علم محركات البحث

  6. Muhammad Shishani says:

    Assalaamu ‘alaykum brothers.

    There is new speech of shaykh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree about shaykh ‘Alee ibn Hasan al-Halabee (waffaqahumullaah). Shaykh ‘Ubayd (also) makes tabdee’ of shaykh ‘Alee & warns the people from him, and also from Markaz al-Albaanee, until they return to the Sunnah and leaves all of his mistakes.

    LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjPzLmp6EBw

    I hope that some of our Rabbaanee ‘Ulamaa solve this issue. That for example shaykh ‘Abdul-Muhsin al-‘Abbaad (hafidhahullaah), who knows both sides, discusses this issue.
    May Allaah unite us upon the Sunnah.

    Sad to hear these kind of things.. as-alullaah al-‘aafiyah.

  7. IbnShareef says:

    Ilallaahil Mushtakaa…I don’t know when we’ll stop hearing about these ‘Ulamaa refuting and speaking ill of each other…As for me personally, I remember some advice Shaykh Saalih Al Fawzaan (hafidhahullah) gave: “Seek knowledge until you how to solve your own problem”…So I think the best thing for us to do is to focus on increasing our knowledge and understanding. Wallaahu A’lam.

  8. If I’m not mistaken, hasn’t Shaikh Ubaid already said something about Shaikh Ali and the Imam al-Albani Centre before this? To be quite honest, I couldn’t really care less about the things Shaikh Ubaid says about other groups and individuals. It’s been a long time now that I haven’t taken anything he’s said seriously.

    Btw, someone on Kulalsalafiyeen has posted something from Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbad concerning Shaikh Ali Hasan. The post says that an Iraqi brother asked Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin about Shaikh Rabi’s heretication of Shaikh Ali Hasan, to which the shaikh answered, “I know him. He is upon the Sunnah. Take from him.” (Source).

  9. abdullah says:

    @rasheed Gonzales

    The link is not working.

  10. Muhammad Shishani says:

    Akhee abdullah, patience, it’s the site that’s off. Happens.

  11. Yeah, site’s been down since yesterday afternoon or evening … not sure exactly when it went down. Give it some time, it should be up again within the next day or so.

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