A Tempest In a Teapot?

Shaikh Muhammad Hassân Is Not a Tempest In a Teapot, translated from an article posted on alMenhaj.net, contains a transcription of a recorded telelink between Shaikhs Muhammad Hassân (of Egypt) and Mash·hūr Hasan Salmân (of Jordan) in which Shaikh Mash·hūr asks Shaikh Muhammad Hassân some questions regarding his views on various contemporary methodological issues.

About Rasheed Gonzales
My name is Rasheed Gonzales. I’m a Muslim convert of Filipino descent. Born and raised in Toronto, Canada, I was guided to Islam through one of my younger brothers and a couple of friends, all of whom had converted to Islam sometime before me (may Allah reward them greatly). I am married with four children (and the praise is Allah’s) and also a volunteer for the Qur'an & Sunnah Society of Canada, based in Toronto.

26 Responses to A Tempest In a Teapot?

  1. Musa Franco says:

    Salam Alaykum

    In regards to Sayed Qutb Akhi.

    What do we say regarding the following:

    May Allah Reward You With Good.

    Ma’Salaam

  2. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, brother Musa.

    May Allah reward and bless you for your comment/question.

    Regarding Shaikh ‘Abdul-‘Aziz Al ash-Shaikh’s words, I would direct you to what was written by Shaikh ‘Ali Hasan al-Halabi:

    http://www.alhalaby.com/makalat/qutob.htm

  3. musaalcolombee says:

    Jazak Allahu Khair…

    However, the link is not working.

    May Allah increase you in knowledge.
    Amin

  4. Wa iyyak.

    Strange, the site’s been suspended for some reason. Try checking in a few days. Perhaps whatever issue there is with their server will be resolved by then.

  5. Just in case anyone’s checking, Shaikh Ali al-Halabi’s site is back up and running. The link posted above should work again.

  6. Target says:

    Salaamoe aleikom,

    Have you a link to the record of this telelink?

  7. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

    No, unfortunately, I do not. I translated the article from a transcription that was posted to the website linked to in the original post. Here’s a direct link to that article: http://almenhaj.net/makal.php?linkid=1919.

  8. al-Falastini says:

    Salam Alaikum…

    Just so no one brings a claim that this is fabricated, it is also on asaala.net, the website of Markaz al-Imaam al-Albaani. Likewise, I am sure that after a thorough search, you could find an audio, if you really don’t believe what’s being said.

    Was-Salaamu `Alaikum

  9. Alban says:

    As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuhu. Ya akhee, i read your post regarding muhammad hassan, and suddenly i saw sth very strange. It was his speech regarding usama ibn ladin as if he is distancing himself from him!!! In fact, here you can listen what did he say regarding ibn ladin, saying that he is a brave men…!!! He claims even that he spoke regarding ibn ladin in the minbaar in the khutbah of Eid.

    In Albania, Macedonia, Kossovo, Montenegro, this shaykh is the beloved of the Takfeeris only!!!

  10. a muslim says:

    Ya akhi Alban, go get a life!

  11. as-Salam ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah.

    I’d have to agree with “a muslim”; people need to get lives.

    There are a number of points that can be made here regarding what you’ve posted, Alban. Here are just a few:

    1. The shaikh’s known recent public statements about Usamah bin Ladin have been negative. So what does it matter if he had said some positive things about him in the past? People can change their stances and opinions. What matters most is what the person is saying now.

    2. Even if he still says some positive things about Ibn Ladin, so what? Is Ibn Ladin 100% evil? Has he no good whatsoever? People need to look at the context of what is being said. With that short audio clip, I doubt if the full context of what he’s saying is conveyed honestly and faithfully.

    3. Regarding the audio clip itself, there’s no date on it and no reference to the source. The tape could have been recorded several years ago. It could have been recorded yesterday. There’s no real way of telling unless this information is given. Given the fact that the statements I’ve translated and presented above are fairly recent, recorded and dated, and are coming from a trustworthy and reliable source, I’m more inclined to accept it moreso than the short audio clip you’ve given.

  12. Alban says:

    Ya akhee, i think you are using double standards. If you deal with the likes of Usamah Ibn Ladin or Muhammad Hassan, saying that they are not 100% evil, then why dont you use the same justification for those at TROID or SPUBS or Shaykh Rabee… I see you are concentrated in waging war against the Salafees with the claim of harshness and ghuluw, but in dealing with those who clearly defend and praise deviants, you fanatically defend them, while they are misguiding this Ummah and throwing it in the paths of Khawarij and al-Ikhwan al-Muslimeen. Fear Allaah ya akhee, dont spread talbees.

  13. First thing’s first, brother Alban. Muhammad Hassan and Usamah bin Ladin are worlds apart in terms of their creed, methodology and Islamic propagation–any just and fair person with an ounce of honesty can see that. So it is a great injustice when you mention the two as if they’re one and the same.

    Secondly, where do you see any supposed double standard on my part? Do I caution others against benefiting from TROID or SP? While I’m sure you’ll find more than enough criticism of them and their ways from me, I highly doubt you’ll find any statement of mine saying that you should not benefit from them whatsoever. In fact, anyone who knows me personally will know that despite my hatred for them and the damage they’ve done to Salafism (much more than any supposed damage Muhammad Hassan has done to it), I still encourage people to take whatever benefit they find with those two groups and those affiliated with them when people I don’t know ask me about them (I’ve even implied that it’s a good thing that people take benefit from them here on my blog). If they are holding conferences or talks, you will not find me warning others from attending them; the same can’t be said about them who still to this day send out emails and write forum posts warning others against attending certain other conferences and the supposed “deviants” attending them.

    Brother Alban, I’m sorry if this comes across as crass, but I suggest you get your head out of your behind and open your eyes to reality.

    Your comments from now on will be moderated as I really can’t be bothered with dealing with this type of retardedness.

  14. Aboo Yoosuf says:

    Akhee Alban, where is your justice in saying Rasheed is waging war against the Salafees with his ‘claim’ of harshness and ghuloo? Here are the words of wisdom from the noble Shaykh Rabee’ hafidhahullaah himself:

    “These days we see that the Salafee da’wah is going backwards, may Allaah bless you, because it has lost the wisdom of these people. First of all it has lost the wisdom of RasoolAllaah sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam and his patience and forgiveness and his kindness. …

    Now they use deterrence which chases the people away and from amongst you there are those who chase the people away. The Messenger of Allaah said, ‘Make things easy and do not make things difficult. And give glad tidings and do not chase the people away.’
    O brothers, these people are unaware, for by Allaah, if they were aware, it would be obligatory upon them to call Allaah’s Messenger himself a mumayy’ (one who waters down Salafiyyah), and the Sahaabah, and the Scholars of this Ummah, based upon this destructive HARSHNESS that destroyed the Salafee da’wah. …

    Now this harshness has turned towards the people of Sunnah themselves. They left off ahlul bid’ah, and turned to ahlus sunnah with this destructive harshness, which contains oppression, and all types of false rules.”

    Allaahul musta’aan. I could keep on typing the speech of the Muhaddith of Madeenah to refute those who lack wisdom and manners. You can read the entire translated speech of Shaykh Rabee’ from here:
    http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/EncouragingHikmah.pdf
    (Taken from his dars in Madeenah in 2004 CE)

    Brother Alban, it would be fairer for you to accuse Shaykh Rabee’ of waging war against Salafees with his claim of harshness and ghuloo, alongside brother Rasheed. But I propose a better suggestion, that you refrain from making such accusations when double standards are being shown by some of the brothers at SP & Troid as well.

    RG’s edit: Formatting.

  15. Abul Qayyim Faheem ibn Talut says:

    As salaamu alaikum,

    You know how it goes: Once you are targeted, branded, and labelled, nothing can help you, not even tawbah according to them, because you still have to be “cleared by the shaykh”!

    And even if you are fortnuate enough to get “clearance”, you definitely don’t get any promo!!

  16. Yusuf says:

    Listen closely from around 3:25 when Shaykh Majdi ‘Arafaat begins speaking and makes mention of those who lie against Shaykh Muhammad Hassan and distort his speech.

  17. May Allah reward and bless you, Yusuf, for the link and may Allah reward and bless Shaikh Majdi for such a nice reminder about Islamic propagation, as well as his words regarding Shaikh Muhammad Hassan.

  18. Abul Qayyim Faheem ibn Talut says:

    As salaamu alaikum Bro Rasheed,

    This may be a little off topic, but I wanted to know what is your position concerning Anwar al-Awlaki? Not as an imtihaan, but as an istifhaam! lol This is kind of relative to this post because they say that Usaamah bin Laadin is who he learned his manhaj from, and then they take it back to Sayyid Qutb (rahimahullaah).

  19. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah Abul Qayyim,

    Other than the regular criticisms against him from various individuals and groups (including Dr. al-Jibaly), I don’t really know much about Anwar al-Awlaki. I don’t listen to his lectures or talks, don’t read his writings or his blog posts; don’t really feel any need or desire to.

    As such, I don’t really have any sort of position on the brother and don’t really believe I need to have one.

    To be quite honest, I think all the attention he’s been getting as of late from certain groups and on certain mailing lists is a bit much, judging by all the unread emails in my inbox with his name in the subject line.

  20. Abul Qayyim Faheem ibn Talut says:

    Yeah bro,

    That is the same way I feel!

  21. Eesa says:

    Asalamu’alaikum…

    Does anyone know the deal with Safar & Salman now? Have they been praised by the Scholars recently or are they still warned against? I ask because they are both very popular here in England and Salmans website has alot of useful content on there.

  22. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, Eesa.

    I can’t say I know what the deal is with Shaikhs Safar and Salman now, as I don’t really keep tabs on what’s going on with shaikhs that much nowadays (this is partially because I don’t really care about who’s being praised or warned against anymore). I do know that as early as a few years back, I had been hearing that they’ve been changing their tones with regards to certain things. Brother Yusuf, one of the brothers who’s posted (and continues to post) comments here, has mentioned that they’ve changed as well in some of his comments to various posts on my blog.

  23. muhammad shishani says:

    Assalaamu alaykum.
    It’s a bit late (or maybe not), but I’ll post the link anyway.
    Here is the conversation (audio) between Shaykh Mashhoor Aal Salmaan (hafidhahullaah) & Muhammad Hassaan: http://www.4shared.com/audio/L1a6tDvt/

    Some time ago a salafi brother put this conversation on the famous (walillaahil-hamd) Russian salafi forum along with the translation (in Russian, of course).

    That conversation is the recording with the best quality (there are also other recordings, but the quality isn’t that good). So that brother, who lives in ‘Ammaan and attends the lectures of Jordanian Mashaayikh, said that a student gave to him his recording, because it has the best quality and the voice of Muhammad Hassaan can be heard clearly. The recording however starts only with the second question. I.e. the first question is not recorded in this audio-file (and that’s about Sayyid Qutb), but the text is avaible.
    Anyway, if anyone wants to verify, he can ask those Mashaayikh, or Muhammad Hassaan himself.

    Those who were present when the conversation was recorded, were the Shuyookh:
    – Mashhoor Aal Salmaan
    – Alee ibn Hasan al-Halabee
    – Muhammad Moosaa Nasr
    – Baasim al-Jawaabirah
    – Aboo Islaam Saalih Taa Haa
    and some of their students.

    Muhammad Hassân – may Allaah rectify our and his affairs – makes his position clear regarding some issues. In summary:
    – he advises the students not to read the books of Sayyid Qutb (rahimahullaah)
    – he condemns that which al-Qaeda does, and says that they don’t have proofs for it from the Qur’aan and the Sunnah
    – he condemns the bombings in Muslim countries and says that there is no proof at all for such actions and says that the one who does that is at the very least a jaahil (ignorant one) who went astray from the truth
    – he says it’s waajib (obligatory) for every Muslim to obey the Muslim rulers of our time.

    All the answers were given to the questions posed by Shaykh Mashhûr.
    After that shaykh Abû Islaam and Bâsim also talked to Muhammad Hassân.

    And Mashhûr & Muhammad Mûsâ Nasr said that they want others to hear this conversation, so that’s why they were recording it. From this it is clear that Muhammad Hassân was very well aware of the fact that his words would be known to many! Some people may say that he has to make tawbah in public and that this isn’t “in public”. Allaah knows best, but if he knew that the conversation would spread, why isn’t it public? Whether it is via the phone, TV, book etc., it still is avaible for all who are interested.

    This is good news, maashaaAllaah. The brother who translated this conversation into Russian did so because Muhammad Hassân is very famous among the Russian-speaking Sunni Muslims [a lot of Muslims from Caucasus and other parts of Russia live in Egypt]. And some of the so-called “jihaadees” would always quote M. Hassan, his speech about Osama bin Laden, etc. Some of them have now doubts about M. Hassan. :)

    May Allaah Subhaanah rectify his affair, let him make tawbah of the mistakes that he had/has and bring benefit to the Muslims through his da’wah.

    It is good news because he is known to many people and gives lectures on TV. So if Allaah makes him firm upon Salafiyyah, then he could really be a great source of authentic knowledge to the people. We should wish the best for all Muslims, so may Allaah make him firm upon Salafiyyah [as he has left many of his mistakes now, and hopefully does so for everything we (don’t) know about].

    I ask Allaah to grant us tawfeeq!

  24. Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, brother Muhammad.

    May Allah reward and bless you for sharing the link to the audio recording of the conversation. And welcome to my blog :) .

  25. muhammad shishani says:

    Aameen, wa iyyaak.
    I’ve been reading some time on your blog. I came across interesting things, jazaakallaahu khayran. I pray to Allaah that he unites all the Salafiyyoon upon the truth and destroys the fitnah that is going on today.

  26. Jazaak Allaahu khayran Shishani Maga… Nice one!

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