Jalal AbualRub: Trinity or Octagonity?

How many Gods Do Christians Have?

By Jalal Abualrub (slightly edited)

Christianity is very confusing. Christians admit that Christianity is a mystery. Christians are even more confusing than Christianity. The Old Testament and the New Testament both state that God is one: “I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God … Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any” (Isaiah 44:6 & 8); “There is but one God, the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6), but when Christians read ‘One’, they see ‘Three’. Most of mankind sees ‘One’ when they read ‘One’, but Christians see ‘Three’ when they read ‘One’. They also invoke the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, but only see ‘One’ in this ‘Trinity’! Maybe this is why Sam Shamoun gives this kind of title to this kind of article, The Incomprehensible Nature of God and his Son. Jalal Abualrub suggests changing the title to, The Incomprehensible Nature of Christianity and its Trinity.

This is part of what I was going to debate Sam Shamoun on. Since the debate will not take place between us, I will post this to expose this man’s utter confusion in his own religion.

Shamoun wrote on Psalm 110:1: “Christians believe that Jesus is David’s Lord since he is the Christ. And since Yahweh is David’s Lord, Jesus must therefore be Yahweh God.”

Here is Psalm 110:1, “The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” So Jalal says, the Lord spoke to himself and said, “Myself, sit at my right hand until I make my enemies a footstool for my feet.” Shamoun wrote, “We do agree that the Psalmist had two distinct and different Persons in view.”

We [mankind] agree [that the psalmist sees two different persons] Jesus and God! Shamoun admits that many say that “[t]he Hebrew text disproves such a notion … The words in Hebrew which the above version translates LORD and Lord are actually Yahweh and Adoni, two different words with two obviously different meanings (or so the argument goes).”

Jalal says this is a very good argument, isn’t it? How can this text prove two distinct persons, “Yahweh” and “Adoni (or Adown)”, also prove that Jesus (Adoni) is actually God (Yahweh), and consequently, God is actually One God: God, Jesus, Adoni, Christ, the (missing) Holy Ghost, and Yahweh? Psalm 110:1 addresses two distinct, different persons, as Shamoun agrees: “We do agree that the Psalmist had two distinct and different Persons in view?”

However, Shamoun contradicts what he agrees is the truth: “Just because the Psalmist used two different terms it doesn’t necessarily follow that he had two beings in mind who were of completely different essences.” Shamoun also narrates from others that “[t]he word Adoni is never once used for God in the Hebrew Bible.” Therefore, how would this make Adoni Jesus and Yahweh and the Christ and the Holy Ghost and the one and only true God?  Shamoun says, “Just because Adoni is used elsewhere for human beings or angels doesn’t mean that David didn’t use it in reference to God.” As an example, Shamoun says, “The word Adoni is used for the Angel of Yahweh in Judges 6:13.”

Here is Judges 6:13, “And Gideon said … Oh my Lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? And where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.”

Shamoun also says that Adoni, used for the Angel of Yahweh in Judges 6:13, clearly isn’t a mere creature but a manifestation of God himself.  If this is true, then the text would go like this, “Oh my Lord, if you be with us, why then is all this befallen us … and where be all your miracles which our fathers told us of … but now you have forsaken us.” And what about all these complains of promises undelivered?

Why would anyone use this as proof that Adoni is God or that the angel in Judges 6:13 is actually God? Why? Because they know they believe in multiple gods, Polytheism Incarnate.

Now, instead of one God, we end up with eight different gods that do different things and experience different things: God, Jesus, Adoni, Christ, the (missing) Holy Ghost, Yahweh, the Father, the son. All these gods are still the one and only God.

Who knows how many more gods Christians can come up with? The possibilities are staggering! This is very exciting!

Jalal Abualrub
www.islamlife.com

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About Rasheed Gonzales
My name is Rasheed Gonzales. I’m a Muslim convert of Filipino descent. Born and raised in Toronto, Canada, I was guided to Islam through one of my younger brothers and a couple of friends, all of whom had converted to Islam sometime before me (may Allah reward them greatly). I am married with four children (and the praise is Allah’s) and also a volunteer for the Qur'an & Sunnah Society of Canada, based in Toronto.

2 Responses to Jalal AbualRub: Trinity or Octagonity?

  1. Diana Mikhail says:

    I just finished reading what you were saying about Christians. Maybe this will help you we believe Jesus is the son of Almighty God, born of the Virgin Mary. When we say in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit it is because we believe God who is the Father, son who is God’s son Jesus because he did create him, who came with a holy spirit we consider these three one. Now let me ask you a question if I make bad remarks of your father is that not considered to be a reflection of you his son/daugther it is considered the same. When we pray we ask through Jesus name because as God’s will was completed by Jesus on earth, it is the same in heaven as well. There is only one God we worship.

    Every Christian faith has there own beliefs so please do not think all Christians follow the same beliefs!

  2. Hello Diana, thanks for stopping by my blog and commenting.

    A few things, however … .

    First, I wasn’t the author of the post. If you didn’t notice, right at the beginning of the article it states the article is by Jalal Abualrub.

    Second, I’m pretty sure Jalal knows what Christian core beliefs are just fine. It states at the very beginning of the article that it was part of what Jalal was going to debate a person named Sam Shamoun on. Sam Shamoun is a Christian apologist who’s hell-bent on attacking Islam. The article has a bit of a sarcastic tone to it and exposes holes in Christian theology.

    Third, about myself, had you read the page on my blog that talks about my story and conversion to Islam, you would’ve read that I used to be Christian myself, so I know quite well that Christians hold various beliefs that differ from other Christians.

    Again, thanks for stopping by.

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